http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/ Discussions on science, skepticism, pseudoscience; trips on the borders of religion and science; brief adventures in hi-fi; this is a Journey through a Burning Mind... Sat, 19 May 2012 17:08:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/comment-page-1/#comment-923 Kemal Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:45:43 +0000 http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/#comment-923 This quote by Albert Einstein encapsulates everything wrong with a mathematical proof for God: "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -Quoted in J R Newman, The World of Mathematics (New York 1956).
“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.” -Quoted in J R Newman, The World of Mathematics (New York 1956).]]> http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/comment-page-1/#comment-914 Stavros Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:03:08 +0000 http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/#comment-914 Hi sesenta, of course you are right in that we should hear his ideas unbiased. But his ideas and some of the questions he asks are outside science and not testable. Therefore, scientists have no reason to hear those particular questions. Further, while Heller has a scientific background, it is obvious that he is only trying to use scientific ideas as a means to prove the existence of God. As a scientist he should very well know that the God hypothesis adds absolutely nothing to our understanding of the Universe. It is merely a personification of our ignorance.
of course you are right in that we should hear his ideas unbiased. But his ideas and some of the questions he asks are outside science and not testable. Therefore, scientists have no reason to hear those particular questions.

Further, while Heller has a scientific background, it is obvious that he is only trying to use scientific ideas as a means to prove the existence of God.

As a scientist he should very well know that the God hypothesis adds absolutely nothing to our understanding of the Universe. It is merely a personification of our ignorance.]]> http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/comment-page-1/#comment-913 sesenta y cuatro Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:37:30 +0000 http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/#comment-913 I am not a believer. I don't know anything about the Templeton Foundation. But I think Heller's ideas should be checked without any bias for or against. I don't care if he was friends with Giovanni Paolo II. I have read a question from him that is really interesting: "why is there something instead of nothing?" I think that our cosmology models don't quite even try to answer this question. We assume there was a beginning when everything was extremely condensed but we don't know why. Sometimes you get a suggestion that the sum of the whole energy in the cosmos could be zero (J.D. Barrow) and therefore, the creation of the cosmos out of nothing would not violate any law. But that's the furthest cosmologists go. Still, the question remains unanswered. Fuck the prize, it is unimportant. The important thing is: can this man's ideas be interesting? What did he actually say? Did he prove anything at all? Let's listen to him first. I don’t know anything about the Templeton Foundation.

But I think Heller’s ideas should be checked without any bias for or against.

I don’t care if he was friends with Giovanni Paolo II.

I have read a question from him that is really interesting: “why is there something instead of nothing?” I think that our cosmology models don’t quite even try to answer this question. We assume there was a beginning when everything was extremely condensed but we don’t know why. Sometimes you get a suggestion that the sum of the whole energy in the cosmos could be zero (J.D. Barrow) and therefore, the creation of the cosmos out of nothing would not violate any law.
But that’s the furthest cosmologists go.

Still, the question remains unanswered.

Fuck the prize, it is unimportant. The important thing is: can this man’s ideas be interesting? What did he actually say? Did he prove anything at all? Let’s listen to him first.]]> http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/comment-page-1/#comment-909 Jonathan Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:58:47 +0000 http://www.isaiadis.com/2008/03/12/polish-priest-cosmologist-wins-the-templeton-prize-for-proving-god/#comment-909 $1.5 million for propaganda supporters! At least Heller will donate it for a good purpose